From yduzitmatter@sympatico.ca Wed Nov 21 22:49:25 2001 Path: sn-us!sn-xit-04!supernews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!usenetserver.com!205.231.236.10!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.lightlink.com!news2.lightlink.com From: yduzitmatter Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Al Buttnor write's my husband ! Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:49:25 -0500 Organization: Lightlink Internet Lines: 70 Message-ID: <3BFC75C5.4BCDC290@sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.232.34.12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD EBM-Compaq1 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.138.12 X-Original-Trace: 21 Nov 2001 22:49:32 -0500, 64.230.138.12 Xref: sn-us alt.religion.scientology:1004919 CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY OF TORONTO DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS Pastor William Palmer church Dear Pastor Palmer: I am very sorry to have to write to you. It is a very difficult matter to broach because perhaps you are not even aware of the situation. I am sorry to tell you that your wife has become involved in a hate campaign against our religion in Toronto both by her regualr postings to the internet on a newsgroup and by her recent participation in pickets at our Church. We are not sure why she is doing this. We have discussed this matter with several of our Lutheran Friends and they suggested that we wrtie to you in an effort to open a door communication and hopefully reconciliation. It was even suggested to us that a mediator from COnrad Grebel COllege may be of benefit to resolve the situation if necessary and we agree that this may be helpful. COmmunication can resolve all things. I hope this is a matter we will be able to discuss. Please feel free to write me at your earliest convenience. Yours Sincerely, Rev. Al Buttnor Director ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The reply: 20 November, 2001 Mr. Al Buttnor Scientology 696 Yonge Street, Suite 807 Toronto,ON M4Y 2A7 Dear Mr. Buttnor: I am in receipt of your letter dated November 14th,2001. I am aware of my wife's activities in regard to Scientology both on the internet and her participation in peaceful pickets of the Toronto Org. I do not believe that we have anything to discuss in this regard either personally or with a mediator. I will be sending a copy of your letter and my reply to my Bishop's Office. Please do not contact me again as there is nothing for us to discuss. Sincerely, Rev. William Palmer From yduzitmatter@sympatico.ca Wed Nov 21 23:04:37 2001 Path: sn-us!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!hub1.nntpserver.com!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!gail.ripco.com!news.lightlink.com!news2.lightlink.com From: yduzitmatter Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: Al Buttnor write's my husband ! Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:04:37 -0500 Organization: Lightlink Internet Lines: 58 Message-ID: <3BFC7955.D6A5A94F@sympatico.ca> References: <3BFC75C5.4BCDC290@sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.232.34.12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD EBM-Compaq1 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.138.12 X-Original-Trace: 21 Nov 2001 23:04:44 -0500, 64.230.138.12 Xref: sn-us alt.religion.scientology:1004921 I do not usually answer my own posts but there is some new information to add: yduzitmatter wrote: > > CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY OF TORONTO > DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS > > Pastor William Palmer > church > > Dear Pastor Palmer: > > I am very sorry to have to write to you. It is a very > difficult matter to broach because perhaps you are not even > aware of the situation. > > I am sorry to tell you that your wife has become involved > in a hate campaign against our religion in Toronto both by > her regualr postings to the internet on a newsgroup and by > her recent participation in pickets at our Church. We are not > sure why she is doing this. > > We have discussed this matter with several of our Lutheran Friends > and they suggested that we wrtie to you in an effort to open a > door communication and hopefully reconciliation. It was even > suggested to us that a mediator from COnrad Grebel COllege may be > of benefit to resolve the situation if necessary and we agree that > this may be helpful. I e-mailed Conrad Grebel College - the department that teaches a Peace and Reconciliation Program. http://grebel.uwaterloo.ca/faculty/ewert.htm I went them a copy of the letter and some information about the COS and some URLS. I received an answer from them. They have never heard from anyone in the Scientology organization. They also thanked me for the information I included. So now they too know the truth about the COS. This college is affiliated with the University of Waterloo and is also affiliated with the Mennonite Church. The fun continues. Kim P > COmmunication can resolve all things. I hope this is a matter we > will be able to discuss. > Please feel free to write me at your earliest convenience. > > Yours Sincerely, > > Rev. Al Buttnor > Director > > snip the rest :-)